Published on September 29, 2005 By O G San In International
The question “Can politics remain secular” is rather like asking “Does my bum look big in this?” Whatever the answer, the anxiety of the enquiry is evident.

The very asking of this question indicates an unease with the direction of politics; a feeling that a political system predicated on the equality of all, regardless of religion, may give way to a system which favours one set of beliefs over others. Allied to this is a sense that religion will one day supplant economics as the key political division; that gay marriage will one day be considered more important than health policy.

Secularism stands, not just for the separation of state and religion, but also for the relegation of spiritual matters into the private sphere of personal morality. Secularism tries to manage religious differences (which will always be with us) by keeping them out of public discourse. In so doing, the hope is that political divisions based on class and economics - which will be less likely to lead to violence - will take precedence. Any defence of secularism ultimately rests on this over-riding need to avoid sectarian bloodshed.

When one surveys political developments in the last few decades the unease inherent in the question above seems more than justified. All over the world one can see the drift away from secularism towards forms of religious fundamentalisms, Godisms if you will, which lead, inevitably in my view, to violence and division.

One can see this in Israel/Palestine with the growth on one side of a militant Jewish nationalism which explicitly calls for the expulsion of all Gentiles from the Promised Land and on the other side by the increase in support for groups such as Hamas which aim to establish an Islamic state on that same land. One can see this drift towards Godism in the Balkans too, with its fearful wars in the 1990s. For years Catholic, Orthodox and Serb fought each other viciously, respecting no taboo, butchering women and children and desecrating places of worship. One can see it too, in less gory fashion, in the US, with the growing strength of the Darwin-deniers, who would have superstition installed into the science classroom; or in India with the growth of the Hindu fundamentalist BJP.

Looking at all this, the question “Can politics remain secular?” seems over optimistic. Surely the question should be “Can politics become secular?” To assume a non-religious basis for political discourse is to adopt a dangerously Euro-centric view of the world. For it is only in the old continent that the idea of the state belonging to all of its citizens, regardless of belief, seems secure. Elsewhere this notion has either never been widely accepted (as in Israel/Palestine) or, as with the US, is in retreat.

The fundamentalist onslaught has not been felt strongly in Europe but this may not be the case for much longer. The fear is that Europe, where political divisions have traditionally been based on economics and class, may experience sectarian politics, a sort of “Ulsterisation” of the continent. The terrorist outrages in Madrid and London have raised the spectre of communal conflict in Europe, of a dangerous new politics based on the division between Muslim and infidel; where hatred, suspicion and ignorance turn neighbour against neighbour. Instead of economic circumstances, or even nationality, religion could become the great cleavage in Europe as it is elsewhere in the world. The warning signs, such as the murder of Theo van Gogh and the destruction of mosques in the Netherlands, are there for those who wish to take heed.

But the threat to secularism in Europe is peculiar. Elsewhere in the world, where two religions have come into conflict this has tended to lead to an increase in religious identification. Thus in Israel/Palestine in recent years we have seen the increase in electoral support for both the Orthodox Shas and the Islamic Hamas. But in Europe this is not the case. If for instance there was an al-Qaida bombing in Berlin, it is sadly possible that some Germans would react to this by attacking mosques. But it seems less plausible that Berliners would respond to an Islamist attack on their city by flocking to their near-abandoned churches. With so many Europeans having been spared any form of religious indoctrination, the continent is close to becoming post-Christian. Even if people did try to find solace in religion, many of them would struggle to follow the service.

There is no great Christian awakening in Europe today. Rather there is a growing division between the continent’s Islamic and non-Islamic populations which threatens to become the defining issue of our era. However, should this conflict become more intense, we may see an upsurge in Christianity in Europe. We will assuredly hear some people calling for a re-assertion of so-called “Christian” values and for the re-installation of religion into the public sphere.

What is needed now more than ever is the assertion of a strong, confident, secular politics against Godisms of any stripe. It is worth reiterating that any religious trespass into the public sphere - be it the playing of the Angelus on RTE, the Law of Succession for the British throne, or the state funding of “faith schools” - automatically undermines democracy and equality. Any state sponsorship of religion, no matter how benign it may seem, implicitly shows that one set of beliefs is favoured over another, or that “people of faith” are superior to those who chose not to believe. In any truly democratic society there can be only one class of citizen: first. With the sheer number of belief systems only secularism can square the circle of equality in a world of diversity.

Given all this, it would seem natural that the European left would be among secularism’s chief proponents. The whole point of being a progressive after all is to put economics before religion or race, to improve conditions in this life rather than dreaming of something better in the next. Yet when it comes to defending secularism, the left’s spinelessness is infuriating.

Where were the voices of support on the left during the controversy over religious attire in French schools? The majority of leftists, rather than lauding this separation of religion and state, chose instead to throw in their lot with the Godists. Rather than standing up for the French version of secularism, too many on the left wailed at the supposed intolerance of the measure, as if telling children what they could and could not wear at school was somehow abusing their human rights. Too often the policy in question was described as a “ban on head scarves”, as if the hijab was the only article in question. This is not to say that the French example should be followed elsewhere in Europe - the Gallic version of secularism is of an extreme bent - but rather to say that when secularism and Godism clash, the left should side with the secularists.

Why then is the left reluctant to defend secularism? Unfortunately the much-maligned political correctness is to blame here. PC, in so much as it puts sexist, racist, bigoted and homophobic language beyond the pale of acceptable discourse, is a noble idea. But where it goes awry is in the elevation of inoffensiveness to dogma, to assume that someone’s religion is exempt from reasoned criticism. To use an Irish example, it is wrong to refer to Protestants by hate-filled epithets such as “Hun” or “Jaffa”. But this does not mean that the theological tenets of Protestantism can not be critiqued by non-Protestants lest, heaven forbid, someone might be offended.

To engage in political debate, any political debate, is to open up the possibility of offending someone. When discussing taxation, or global warming, or aid to Africa, it is possible that someone will find your view objectionable, hurtful even. But why is it only with religion (and its slippery partner “culture”) that we are allowed to play the “that’s offensive to my people” card and put an end to the discussion? None of this is to argue that the point of politics, or indeed of secularism, is to offend. It is wrong to deliberately hurt someone else’s feelings. But anyone who engages in political debate must accept the possibility that they could end up causing offence. Those who are too meek to accept this should, frankly, retire from the fray. Secularism deserves better than to be damned with faint praise.

Politics will only remain secular if those of us who believe it should do are willing to defend that position. There’s a reason that creationism is encroaching into American high school science classrooms, and it has nothing to do with the deficiencies of Darwinism. It’s because the true believers of creationism want to install their superstition into school curricula more than the secularists want to keep it out. The Old Testament literalists are better funded, better organised and crucially, better motivated than their opponents. So eventually they win (and they don’t care who gets offended along the way). So much of life boils down to simple determination. All else being equal, the hard-working mediocrity will outstrip the talented loafer. Faced by Godist adversaries whose faith drives them on, we must be every bit as determined as they are.

Can politics remain secular? Only if we want it to.

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on Sep 29, 2005
I think you mixed up politics and the state.

The state is meant to be secular, politics was always supposed to be about opinions, including, of course, religious opinions.
on Sep 29, 2005
The whole idea that class and economics are less likely to lead to violence than religion is rediculous. Yes, religion is often the basis for conflict, but class and economic conflicts are just as prevelent in history.

I'm not sure why people think religion has taken a more prominant role in government or public discourse lately. Religion has always been discussed openly by many politicians, and has always been a factor in how people vote.

Even many atheists use religion as a basis for their political decisions. An atheist (or agnostic) who makes it a point to vote for other atheists isn't much different than if I voted for someone simply because they were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

The Soviet Union tried to create a completely secular society... they failed miserably.
on Sep 29, 2005
Thoughtful and interesting article (especially loved the opening paragraph ). I wonder if secularist is the right word and whether 'liberal'(in the real meaning of the word!) wouldn't be better. After all, I don't think that the secularists of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea wish to relegate "spiritual matters into the private sphere of personal morality". Marxism-Leninism, a 'secular' ideology if ever there was one, has usually sought to relegate spiritual matters to the gulag and the grave.

And a mention of Marxism-Leninism calls into question the claim that "political divisions based on class and economics" are "less likely to lead to violence". That may now be thankfully the case in much of the world, but it wasn't always so, and might not be again in the future. It is true though wherever liberalism (and its attendant democratic norms) is the guiding ideology.

Your own (understandably) negative view of religion shines through in the implicit notion that the 'religious' will always be part of the problem, rather than the solution. Fundamentalism is in many ways a worrying phenomenon, but it is just an extreme manifestation of human religious practice, just as communism, fascism and totalitarianism in general are an extreme manifestation of human political practice. A religious believer guided by liberal principles is politically not much different from an atheist guided by the same principles.

The state is meant to be secular, politics was always supposed to be about opinions, including, of course, religious opinions.

Again, this is only true where (western) liberal values prevail. It is very hard to see in Saudi Arabia where wahabism ends and politics begins.

BTW, Barry I owe you an e-mail with news update...
on Sep 29, 2005
Interesting article.

I must say though that the "secularist" view is just as skewed as the "religous". It's like two sides of the same coin or like two branches on the same tree. Everyone has a belief system or set of values on which they base their choices and actions (that’s the root of the tree, if you will). Whether that belief system includes a definition of “God/gods” or not depends on individual choice and the soicety that influences that choice. This phenomenon of a belief system remains true whether that person is involved in government or not. In fact, the underlying nature of “politics” involves influencing the choice of others as to whether they would follow a particular belief, school of thought, or set of values. That’s how the politician wins votes. It’s also how a religious leader wins followers. They both are fundamentally the same. The thing that fuels the existence of one is the same that makes the other exist.

In a non-democratic society brute force, rather than academic persuasion, is often used as a method of influence to obtain rule. That brute force is sooner or later met with brute resistance. It’s the reason why no dictatorship/empire lasts forever. In democratic societies we TRY to find balance and areas of common ground. How successful we are at this is not as important as the fact that we do TRY. Unless one has lived in a society ruled by dictatorial government it is hard to grasp and appreciate why democracy works even when it seems to contradict itself. Under dictatorships, open ended discussions as this do not exist.

A case in point would be the Falun Gong practice within the Communist governed Chinese republic. Here is a group that suffers continuous violence at the hands of a “secular” government because of the religious nature of their practice and so do Christians and any other religion. The truth of the matter is that they both will probably suffer the same violence under a “religious” Islamic fundamentalist government. (Not all Islamic societies practice violence. Not all Christian societies practice peace). Therefore it is wrong to assume that religion leads to sectarain violence. How many non religious dictators have there been in human society?

“Faced by Godist adversaries whose faith drives them on, we must be every bit as determined as they are.”

A statement like this under a society ruled by dictatorial government will have serious repercussions and may more than likely inspire violence and/or lost of life. But in this society, whether religious or not, it leads to a civil typewritten response. The statement itself also attests to the fact that the existence of one inspires the existence of the other and vice versa.

Thank “God” or thank “the Constitution” (your choice) that we live in a democratic society where we can choose the people who govern us and remove them by the power of voting. That's why the system works. The fact that we have a "religious" president and others is a testimony of democracy. Everyone was voted into government. And if he's replaced with a "secular" president and others, this will also attest to the fact that there is nothing wrong with the political system whether religious or not.


So to the question, I also ask a question.
Will not an atheist government impose their atheist values or beliefs on the society which they govern?

on Sep 29, 2005
I think this is a good article for thought.

The question you have to ask is what are Atheist values? They could be bad, good, and not necessarily defined.
Christian values are however defined, but not really. You can say Christian values are "this value", however "this value" is not really "this value" because of human nature in general.

You can say that the "critical thinker's" values are "this value". And because they are more free to have "this value" and to live "this value" without regard to "a level value not atainable", they are more likely to have honest values for human nature and integrity. But in general they are only a rare and specific kind of atheist that is not easily found in the "atheist" genra.

What would you wrather have, an attainable goal or an unattainable goal? If values are attainable, and tenable, then they will be more condusive to the natural human values that exist with everyone.

Government exists more to enforce rule of law in society than to be the "caretaker" of human existence. The needs of the "people who think government should care for me" will not be supported of a Government for long, because it can only grow weak. And the weaker the government, the more likely it is to be rundown (taken over) like the "Roman Empire".

Luckily America is still young, and should last at least a few more decades. But it only will last if the Eisenhower slogan stands.

"Ask NOT what your government can do for you."
What will you do for America?
on Sep 29, 2005
Is secular the right word?

Liberal is the wrong word. Liberal when it comes to "welfare" and the detriment to capitalism is not "secularism".
Capitalism is a current fact that Liberals want to destroy.
on Sep 29, 2005
An EXCELLENT and thought provoking article.

A clarification for some of the comments, if you will. Secularism is a belief in the laws of the natural world and that codes of conduct (ethics) are dictated by those natural laws. It is a simple as saying "If you lie, soon no one will believe you" as opposed to saying "Lying is a sin." The latler may be true, but is not required. I am a secularist, because it makes sense. Neither a belief in God not a disbelief is required.

One other note on the comment "But it only will last if the Eisenhower slogan stands."Ask NOT what your government can do for you. What will you do for America?" I think that you are paraphrasing John F. Kennedy, not Dwight Eisenhower.
on Sep 29, 2005
Liberal is the wrong word

Says who? Just because Americans abuse the word in a peculiar way to describe the whole of the Left from mild social democrats to trotskyists doesn't alter the fact that the word'liberal' actually has a real meaning. Try this for starters:

n 1: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and
reform and the protection of civil liberties [syn: progressive]
[ant: conservative]
2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and
self-regulating markets.

Nothing there about wanting to "destroy capitalism". The proper word for that is 'communism'. Unless we can agree at least on the meaning of words it's difficult to debate anything.
on Sep 29, 2005
1: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and
reform and the protection of civil liberties [syn: progressive]


Liberals have run New Orleans for half a century... I fail to see the "progress" displayed there.
on Sep 29, 2005
The wisdom of government remaining neutral is so obvious I don’t see how anyone could have a problem with it. I ‘m using the word neutral because some people think secularism means anti-religion instead of just not considering it.

I was listening to a conservative talk radio show the other day the speaker (who’s name I can’t remember) was comparing what atheist are doing in trying to keep all mention of God out of publicly funded life to what the Christians did in the dark ages. What? Is there an atheist effort I’m not aware of to convert Christians to atheism or remove God from privately funded America? Atheist could care less what others believe. Even if there were why would anyone care? Unless they develop some sort of mass mind control device they have no chance of succeeding. Don’t use taxes to pay for spreading any beliefs and you wouldn’t here another peep out of them.

Logic, reason and compassion are not beliefs, and are the only considerations that should be made by a Government.
on Sep 29, 2005
Major complaint I have with your article is the comparing of genocide and mass murder to an open debate about the place of religous based teaching in schools. Yes, America is currently dicussing religion more than we have in the past. This is a good thing.

Like it or not, the founding nations of the colonies that became America were Christian, their belief system has always had a large say in the governing of it's people.

As an agnostic myself, I am not threatened by religous people having faith, and don't understand the reasoning that states "if you are in government, you must forget the foundation upon which your beliefs have been grown".

Other major problem is the 'non-religous politics are benign' motif in this article. I'm sorry, but non-religious societies -- USSR, PRC, etc have some of the most horrible examples of mass murder and slaughter.

on Sep 30, 2005
----Like it or not, the founding nations of the colonies that became America were Christian----

Um, last I heard, Thomas Pain weren't no Christian. Yea the man that "invented" America Independence. No Christian there.
Um, did you ever look at the back of a dollar bill? Good old Mason's. I never thought Sun worshipers were Christian either.

And all Christians are stated agnostics. "No one can know the Mind of God".

Your sorry about the USSR. Communism, not Capitalism. Different Ideologies, not much different in Religion. Many USSR are Jewish, many Muslim (which came from Old testiment religion).

The most horrible examples come from Leaders who are victims of Power. Power Corrupts, Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Most people in Eastern block nations are quite nice. They just don't know how to be free and commit Capitalism. America has had much practice.

Regards,
Fox
on Oct 01, 2005
----Like it or not, the founding nations of the colonies that became America were Christian----

Um, last I heard, Thomas Pain weren't no Christian. Yea the man that "invented" America Independence. No Christian there.
Um, did you ever look at the back of a dollar bill? Good old Mason's. I never thought Sun worshipers were Christian either.


Ummmmm wanna try again?


Question: "What is Free Masonry and what do Free Masons believe?"



Answer: Free Masonry, Eastern Star, and other similar "secret" organizations appear to be harmless fellowship gatherings. Many of them even promote belief in God and good character. However, beneath this outward appearance, these secret societies hide anti-Biblical and anti-Christian beliefs and practices. The following is a comparison of what the Bible says with the "official" position of Free Masonry.


" I never thought Sun worshipers were Christian either." wtf?????

"And all Christians are stated agnostics. "No one can know the Mind of God"." This statement makes absolutely no sense what so ever! The 2 words are mutually exclusive. You can not be a christian and an agnostic.


And Thomas Paine? He was only one of many. Just a little fyi:

By 1793, he was imprisoned in France for not endorsing the execution of Louis XVI. During his imprisonment, he wrote and distributed the first part of what was to become his most famous work at the time, the anti-church text, The Age of Reason (1794-96). He was freed in 1794 (narrowly escaping execution) thanks to the efforts of James Monroe, then U.S. Minister to France. Paine remained in France until 1802 when he returned to America on an invitation from Thomas Jefferson. Paine discovered that his contributions to the American Revolution had been all but eradicated due to his religious views. Derided by the public and abandoned by his friends, he died on June 8, 1809 at the age of 72 in New York City.


Nice try, now try again.
on Oct 02, 2005
Woa, I'm really surprised with the general amount of unease with ojisan's writing on secularism, that little principle that arose in the West during Enlightenment.

Secularism is not neutral, communist or liberal, it is simply the beleif that religious considerations should be excluded from civic affairs and public education. It springs from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When law and education in the the public sphere is dictated by the Papal index or the sharia or some other religious entity, ipso facto one does not have the right to freedom of conscience and the right to manifest this in public. I mean, the only reason why we can even debate this issue on a public forum is not only, as Melville points out, because we live in democracies, but more to the point because we live in secular democracies. Otherwise this blog would run the risk of being on the Papal index ban list or some mullah's banned list, if we lived in non-secular theocracies, we would run the risk of being arrested. Or if this writing came from the United States but the primary author was originally from one of the aforementioned countries, if he really ticked off the authorities, he would run the risk of having a bounty placed on his head. A country can be non-secular in this scary sense and still be somewhat democratic, Pakistan for instance. You can be non-Islamic, non-secular and still democratic: Quebec before the 1960s.

Granted, some religions are more 'liberal' than others, but really the point is that there is nothing inherent within any religion that determines its level of 'liberalism' in the same way that the secular Charter of Human Rights sets the barometer on freedoms (including freedom of expression and conscience). Note that non-secular states mostly do not adhere to the Charter of Human Rights (other than on paper).

Oh and being secular does not mean banning the hijab, as ojisan suggests. The hijab is a piece of clothing that carries a burden of symbolism directly related to muslim political attitudes towards the West: it was used during colonisation as a symbol of dissent, before that time it was simply useful to keep the sand out of a person's face. Leila Ahmed is useful to read on this. Edward Said has also most probably written about it. Therefore banning the hijab is more of a political play than it is symptomatic of secularism in France. Thinking about it, even if the yarmuke was banned, I would sorta have a hard time seeing what this has to do with secularism.

I have to say that actually I'm really very surprised that until now, nobody has written in to defend secularism. Are we really into challenging fundamental freedoms just to, I dunno, institutionalize deeper meaning and higher spirituality? Go to church if you have to, folks.
on Oct 02, 2005
My apologies, Larry and stubbyfinger sort of defended secularism.
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