Published on May 5, 2004 By O G San In International
"Shocked" is very much the word of the moment. Last week's exposure of US torture in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has caused shock all around the world that such treatment should be meted out by the Americans. Bush is shocked, Blair is shocked, the US army is shocked, the Arab world is shocked.

Well, they shouldn't be.

There are many emotions which one could reasonably feel when viewing the pictures of US soldiers torturing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners. Disgust would be one. Anger would be another. But shock? Why be shocked? What is so surprising about these pictures? What is so unexpected about the "revelation" that during war, humans do terrible things to other humans? After all, we've had a couple of millenia of experience with war to work this out.

War cuases some to lose sight of their morality. I'm not saying that every soldier loses their sense of right and wrong at the fist whiff of cordite, but some do. I have no way of knowing how widespread this kind of torture is in Iraqi prisons. I don't believe that every Iraqi taken into custody is tortured as a matter of course. But neither do I believe that the US soldiers in these pictures are the only ones to have committed torture since the occupation began. Sorry, I've heard that "few bad apples" line once too often.

I can only assume that some American soldiers abide by the rules of war an some don't. I can't come up with a proportion either way. But still, it is far from "shocking" that some, however many, US soldiers should react to war by unleashing the darkest aspects of their characters. This is what happens when you dehumanise people, and war is all about dehumanisation.

Tink about it. When a war starts, the first thing which soldiers do is to come up with some nickname for their adversaries. In Vietnam, American troops fought "the Gooks". British soldiers in France in 1914 confronted "the Hun". I don't know what US troops call the Iraqis, probably "ragheads", but I'm sure that they have some nickname for their enemy. Finding a demeaning name for your adversary is the first step on the road to dehumanisation. War requires soldiers to do horrible things and it's easier to do these things if these soldiers can find away of stripping their opponents of their humanity. It must be easier to bayonet a "Hun" than to bayonet a German.

Given this, why should anyone be shocked that some soldiers take dehumanistaion to another level? Why be surprised that some over-step the mark laid down by international law? All these people are doing, after all, is moving from "acceptable violence" to "unacceptable violence".

I would suggest that in any conflict in which a large number of people are taken prisoner, torture of some of these priosners is inevitable. That's not to say it's OK. It's not OK. But it is something which happens. A lot of things happen in this world and many of these things are wrong. But they still happen.

So those of you who support this war really have to acknowledge that torture is a part of the war. That doesn't mean I'm saying you're to blame for the actions of the however many US soldiers who act in a brutal manner. You're not. But still, you have to acknowledge that once a war starts, people will behave in horrible ways.

And that's one of the reasons I'm against this war. War is not clean and humane. It dehumanises, it ruins lives. Not only does it take lives and limbs, it scars those who participate in it pyschologically. It is such a terrible thing that it should be used only as a last resort. It should not be something for which political leaders push relentlessly.

Comments
on May 05, 2004
I don't agree that shock is a correct emotion for those pictures.My question would be 'What are you shocked at'? Are you shocked at the pictures, at the fact that American soldiers could do such a thing, or the fact that it is a systematic problem that the US government has known about since January and not stopped?

In my case it's the latter. I certainly expect individuals to break the rules in a war situation, but I expect their colleagues and superiors to immediately chastist them and put an end to it. What I don't expect is for US soldiers to torture Iraqi prisoners over months of time while the US government is aware of the situation. This shocks me.

Paul.
on May 05, 2004
double post
on May 05, 2004
unfortunately these actions took place long after Bush said the war was over. Maybe you mean an illegal occupation makes people do bad things. Then again Mr.San, perhaps you think it's ok under certain conditions to humiliate naked men with ugly ugly American MP wo(men). How human is that?
on May 05, 2004
unfortunately these actions took place long after Bush said the war was over. Maybe you mean an illegal occupation makes people do bad things. Then again Mr.San, perhaps you think it's ok under certain conditions to humiliate naked men with ugly ugly American MP wo(men). How human is that?


Regardless of when Bush stated Mission Accomplished, there's still a war going on in Iraq. OG San clearly stated that he didn't think any of this was OK--let's debate the issue, not put words in each other's mouths.
on May 05, 2004
I'm not saying that every soldier loses their sense of right and wrong at the fist whiff of cordite, but some do. I have no way of knowing how widespread this kind of torture is in Iraqi prisons. I don't believe that every Iraqi taken into custody is tortured as a matter of course.


I can only assume that some American soldiers abide by the rules of war an some don't. I can't come up with a proportion either way.


While I have disagreed with you about a great many things (and will probably disagree with a great many more), I'm very pleased to see that you point this out. Others jumped straight to the presumption that "this kinda thing happens all the time", without any basis for stating or thinking such.

A topic unto itself is the concept of "rules" of war. Yes, I'm aware of the Geneva Convention and that we (the US) are signers.

VES
on May 05, 2004
of course it happens all the time. Look at the pics. The grins. The total love of it all. It's accepted all right. I pray for those at Guantanamo. Man there must me major US torture there.
on May 05, 2004
of course it happens all the time. Look at the pics. The grins. The total love of it all. It's accepted all right. I pray for those at Guantanamo. Man there must me major US torture there.


You can set the hook and the line, but that doesn't mean the fish will bite.

VES
on May 05, 2004
Miki,

I said explicitly "it's not OK". What I am saying is that I'm not shocked. People get murdered every day all around the world. Is that OK? No. Is it a shock? No.

Also, I don't think comments on the attractiveness or otherwise of female American soldiers is relevant. They could be the most beautiful women in the world and it still wouldn't make what they did one bit more acceptable.
on May 05, 2004
It's truly awful thing to happen to anyone, no matter who is doing it, the guilty level of the prisoners, and how common that kind of thing is.

Everyone, don't ever turn off your moral sense because it "always happen". Fight that sense of commonality and complain about the injustices done to those people.

Yes. I'm an American, and proud of it. Those solders are Americans you say? SO? They still did bad things to those prisoners.
on May 11, 2004
Another well-written article. Thank you.

The way that we learn about the war, or any far-off event, changes our perceptions. Nothing new about that. For many Americans, World War II was something that we read about or heard about on the radio. The same for Korea. With Vietnam, that changed. Vietnam was a "TV War" and the images of the violence came right into our living rooms. It was no longer abstract. With Operation Desert Storm, the media was once again the message and we saw sanitized footage of laser guided missles striking buildings that we were told were military targets. We heard the euphemism "collateral damage" being used, which sounds much nicer than "cilvilian casualties."

What has made Abu Ghraib shocking is the pictures. The pictures provide inescapable, indisputable visual evidence that provokes a visceral response-- shock. Without the pictures, this would be a very different story. It might have been reported as "alleged human-rights abuses," worth 30 seconds of coverage. The administration would have disputed the charges, announced an investigation and "Now for the sports news."

Bear in mind the human ability to filter out or dispute evidence that we don't like. There are Holocaust-deniers in this world. It would have been easy to dismiss charges or to say that any treatment was deserved or exaggerated-- but then there are the pictures.
on May 11, 2004
I think you have a point Larry, but one shouldn't be shocked that these things take place. Perhaps too many people have seen sanitised versions of war for too long.

What really is a surprise to me is that people actually took these pictures in the first place. Clearly the soldiers involved are loving it, grinning for the cameras. That's truly bizzare. If I were torturing someone, I certainly wouldn't want cameras there. Is this arrogance of US soldiers who feel they are above the law? Is it just stupidity? Either way, it's very odd.
on May 11, 2004
I'd say it was lack of leadership coupled with a feeling that they were doing what people wanted. Remember that this prison holds the most wanted Iraqis. The ones who are considered highest risk of attacking Americans. Treating the Iraqi 'vermin' (as Bush called them) like animals probably appealed to them. They probably thought people would see ti as funny. At the same time they were softening thsse prisoners up for questioning. Maybe this treatment would lead one to reveal where WMD were? Maybe the end justifies the means? Without strong leadership to immediately put an end to it and make them realise how wrong it was, the problem just escalated.

Paul.
on May 11, 2004
I agree with Solitair.
on May 11, 2004
Whether this was the result of "poor leadership" or something much more sinister, time will tell.

The fact that it holds "the most wanted" is immaterial.

I agree with you about the "vermin" aspect, it's significant that there are instances of prisoners being treated like dogs and donkeys, they are being viewed as subhuman by the people who do this.

on May 11, 2004

Is this arrogance of US soldiers who feel they are above the law?


Yes.  They had no supervision, no leadership, no discipline.  They weren't even trained as MP's or Corrections Specialists.  They were part-timers, mechanics and personnel clerks who were on a power trip.


There are murmurings that MI and the CIA wanted those photos taken to use as a lever to help 'soften' other POW's.  I don't think that's the entire truth...I think that the camera was brought out to record the 'festivities' because they wanted something to show their friends and laff it up about.


As Solitair stated, if there had been any kind of leadership in place at Abu Ghraib the problem would have been stopped before it really ever got started.