Any hawks out there feel like admitting they were wrong?
Published on March 8, 2004 By O G San In International
It’s nearly a year since American tanks began rolling across the Iraq – Kuwait border. The first anniversary of an event is a common juncture to indulge in a little reflection. My intention in writing this blog is both to reflect and to challenge. Specifically, I want to challenge the hawks to defend their war with the benefit of hindsight. Are you proud of your conflict? Do you still think it was right?

It’s my belief that the anti-war camp has essentially been vindicated by the course of events over the past twelve months. However not every prediction we made has turned out to be accurate so, for the sake of balance, I will begin by outlining where I think we went wrong.

The invasion of Iraq has not (yet) led to wider instability in the Middle East. No Arab regime has been toppled by Islamist opposition forces as some claimed would happen if America invaded Iraq. The war has not, as Amr Moussa memorably predicted, “opened the gates of hell”. Of course this could still happen if Iraq descends into civil war. For the time being though, the Arab street has proven yet again to be a paper tiger.

Neither has the Iraq war led to a wider conflagration between the West and the Middle East. If as Hosni Mubarak warned, the conflict creates “a thousand bin Ladens” then we in the west are yet to hear from them. Al-Qaida may well have recruited new members because of the war but it has not been able to use this new strength to attack “coalition” cities.

On most other matters though, the peace camp has been vindicated. Reconstructing Iraq has not been the cakewalk which the Pentagon claimed. Iraqi oil revenue has not been sufficient to get the country back on its feet as Paul Wolfowitz predicted. American troops were greeted not with flowers but with bullets. The “coalition” forces are seen as occupiers not liberators. Iraq teeters on the brink of all-out civil war following last week’s huge bombings. Only the admirable moderation of Shia leaders seems to be holding the country together.

Most of all the left has been vindicated by the failure of America to find WMD. Peace protestors always claimed that WMD was a fake casus belli concocted by an administration hell-bent on toppling Saddam. It’s still possible that some WMD will be found though, with each passing day, this becomes less likely. Even if some weapons are found somewhere in Iraq, it’s clear that the massive programmes of WMD which Washington alleged Saddam was running simply weren’t there. How ironic that the US, which wouldn’t give Hans Blix the “weeks, not months” he wanted to complete his task, now begs for more time to find WMD.

The web of lies, so carefully spun, is now falling apart. Some claims, like the 45 minute attack and Niger plutonium, have already been so thoroughly discredited that not even the most red-in-tooth-and-claw hawk now defends them. Other allegations will soon be just as thoroughly disproved. As their lies are exposed, the belligerents have resorted to ever more laughable excuses for their failure to find WMD. Any takers for: “Iraqi generals destroyed the WMD but they were too scared to tell Saddam”? No? Don’t worry; there’ll be another fairytale along soon.

Some hawks have at least had the good grace to admit that they were wrong. “OK, so we lied but we liberated Iraq so all’s well that ends well” is their attitude. This position at least has some credibility. Others though, particularly the contemptible Blair, can never admit the truth without simultaneously admitting that they lied to press their people into war. The day Blair admits that he lied would also have to be the day that he resigns.

Given the gravity of their crimes, it is a disgrace that both Bush and Blair are still in power. They pushed relentlessly for a war of aggression on false premises. They marched their people into war with talk of mushroom clouds and vials of anthrax. Thousands have died because of their belligerence. Tens of thousands have been wounded. This will forever be on their heads.

As I said at the start, I’m writing this blog to challenge not to reflect. So I want to finish by asking the remaining unrepentant hawks a few questions. If you knew then what you know now, would you still have backed the war? If you knew that 45 minutes, mushroom clouds, Niger, Saddam working with al-Qaida were all myths; would you still support the conflict? And if you really believed all the pre-war propaganda, do you feel like a sucker?

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on Mar 08, 2004
I don't know what the hawks will say, but I bet they won't agree with you. I do--I thought both Iraqi wars were stupid. I also hated the bombing. But what do I know? I'm a liberal. Liberal=stupid, no?
on Mar 08, 2004
Actually I would still have supported the war.

From the start I disagreed with WMD claims though. I've always accussed the US and UK of lying on this issue and misleading their peoples. I do believe that Saddam had to go though. His continued presence was a threat to US authority and their ability to stop conflict purely by threatening action. The way they approached the problem by trying and failing the force the UN action however did much more harm. I really think everything would have worked out much better if the job had been done properly in th first place. It would also have been much better if they had immediately handed over control to a UN peace keeping force. A multi-national force (including France and Russia who both said they would contribute), would (IMO) have far less problems than the US force has at the moment.

Paul.
on Mar 08, 2004
Yes, I would still support the war.
Yes, Saddam needed to go ( back in Gulf War 1 would have been better ).
Mark my words ( as you hedged yours) WMD will be found.
There is, and will continue to be peace in Iraq, fewer people are dying under occupation, than when Saddam was in power....
The French, Germans, and the UN have all been called for what they are , Complicit Paper Tigers..
In no way can my mind be changed that THE UNITED STATES and the COALITION of 30 OTHER COUNTRIES did what was morally, ethically, and legally right.
on Mar 08, 2004
"His continued presence was a threat to US authority and their ability to stop conflict purely by threatening action."

Since when did the US have the right to authority anywhere in the world besides within its own borders. Yes, I will agree that Saddam was an evil dictator and I didn't shed any tears about his demise. However, the United States has no authority, moral or otherwise, to be the "police force" for the world. The reason that the US failed on the UN front was because it was blatantly apparent that the US did really give a damn what the UN thought or did. The US has a hard time understanding the concept of the United Nations and playing fairly within its rules. When it lost at the UN, it forged ahead alone--if another country did this, the US would be the first to criticize.

"There is, and will continue to be peace in Iraq"

Compared to what? It's not peace like I know it...it wouldn't even be considered remotely acceptable living conditions as far as I am concerned. Do not be so naive as to think that everything is dandy now that Saddam is gone. Yes, Iraqis are "free" from Saddam, but they are not free as most of us in Western Democracies think of freedom.
on Mar 08, 2004
"Reconstructing Iraq has not been the cakewalk which the Pentagon claimed."

Did they claim it was going to be a 'cakewalk'?

"Iraqi oil revenue has not been sufficient to get the country back on its feet as Paul Wolfowitz predicted"

I think this has a lot to do with the efforts by the 'resistance' to destroy the oil infrastructure. They are attacking oil facilities and pipelines on a weekly basis.

"American troops were greeted not with flowers but with bullets. "

I think it would be more accurate to say they were "greeted with flowers and with bullets". It is easy to discount the millions who are glad that we have toppled Hussein. I think the Kurds, for instance, have greatly appreciated their new freedom.

"Only the admirable moderation of Shia leaders seems to be holding the country together."

Again, I think the focus has been on those who have been dissatisfied, and not the Kurds and others who have benefited simply from the absence of Hussein's oppression.

" If you knew then what you know now, would you still have backed the war?"

Yes, what hasn't panned out wasn't imperative to excuse conflict to me. Every single day when Iraq fired on planes patrolling the no-fly zone, I wondered why the cease fire wasn't called off.

" And if you really believed all the pre-war propaganda, do you feel like a sucker?"

Nope, as I said what hasn't panned out wasn't imperative to me to excuse conflict. In a few years, when you see that 90% of the anti-war propaganda hasn't panned out, and the Middle East is more stable with Hussein gone, will you?

Sherye Hanson:

"I thought both Iraqi wars were stupid. "

I take great exception with the idea that Hussein should have been left to occupy Kuwait and torture and destroy the Kuwaiti people. I would strongly suggest looking into the war crimes that were being committed there until Iraq was forced to vacate. You aren't normally the kind of person that would want a blind eye turned to what was happening in Kuwait. Like everyone else, though, it seems that anything is more tolerable if it isn't the US doing it.

on Mar 08, 2004
The ironic thing is, if Bush had timed his war in Iraq a little later, it would have actually helped him in the campaign, instead of hurting, as it appears now to be doing.

Cheers
on Mar 08, 2004
It's always amusing when the far left tries to re-invent history.

Let me try to make this simple for you: Us "hawks" wanted Saddam removed regardless of WMD. The WMD were never the primary issue. I've written on that many times even long before WMD became a fixation.

I would say that the events of the last year have vindicated hawks. I know I don't worry myself too much about the opinions of the appeasement camp.
on Mar 08, 2004
BTW, OG Sans, I realize you live in a warm coocoon of left wing thought but here on Earth, most Iraqi's support the US. This isn't wishful thinking, btw. The Gallup polls have all made that very clear. Talk to some soldiers who return from Iraq. Sure, there are some Iraqi's who don't like the Americans. But for the most part, they consider themselves liberated.

It is articles like yours that make me glad that it's the right that's in charge of our foreign policy. MOST Americans knew shortly after 9/11 that Saddam had to go. The time had come to quit messing around. The man regularly violated the cease fire agreement (such as what Bakerstreet mentioned - he fired on our planes). He had kicked out the inspectors. And if you read the Kay report you would know that Saddam had every intention of ramping up WMD production as soon as sanctions were lifted.

If you actually listened to those who advocated war with Iraq, you would know that few of us were sweating that Saddam was going to harm us with mustard gas or some biological weapon. The issue was that after 9/11, he had to go. He was an active enemy of the United States in an area where we can no longer tolerate having political leaders who are active enemies of the United States.
on Mar 08, 2004
Really, the link between Saddam and 9/11 is flimsy at best. Bush has even come out and said it, albeit grudgingly. If it was so important that Saddam be removed after 9/11, why wasn't it so important for the previous ten years. I am very happy to see so many people concerned about the human rights of Iraqis, but where the heck were you before this? Saddam's ruthlessness is not a new phenomenon, why be worried about it now?

And, I assume that since the reason that we are all for invading Iraq is a moral, humanitarian one, we will be invading the West Bank and Israel proper next to make sure that all Palestinians and Israelis are afforded all the rights in the Universal Declaration on Human Rights? Please, I don't buy this for a minute. There was never an altruistic "he needs to go" motive. The US doesn't base it's foreign policy on good feelings and warm fuzzies, so don't even try to sell that.

As for the idea that Iraq was violating a cease fire agreement by firing on planes in a no fly zone...the whole concept of the no-fly zone in Northern Iraq is contentious. Many would argue that the US, UK and France claimed false authority under Security Council Resolution 688 when they began to patrol the skies-- if this is the case, they had no business being there in the first place (not surprisingly France withdrew and it was only the US and UK keeping watch). The no-fly zone didn't do much in terms of humanitarian protection (as it's original intention was stated) but it was a ceaseless reminder of military pressure for Iraq. If Iraq had arbitrarily set up a no fly zone over the mid-West, you can be damn certain that the US would be firing on those planes. It's called protecting your sovereignty--and Iraq has the right to be a sovereign country and protect its borders. And for the record, the US and UK weren't simply flying back and forth over this zone in circles of boredom; rather, in 1998 they launched Desert Fox, which involved retaliatory missile and air strikes to punish Iraq for non-cooperation with UNSCOM's inspections. Since Desert Fox, the US and UK have engaged in almost daily attacks as Iraq attempts to enforce its sovereignty over the "no-fly" zones. After Desert Fox, Iraq ejected all UN inspectors and declared the "no-fly" zones to be illegal.

As for the US no longer tolerating political leaders who are enemies of the US--it just sounds so hypocrital...a country that is a supposed democracy would insist that the global arena be ruled as an oligarchy (the US and UK--many a handful of other elites), with the final and decisive vote always being defered to the US. While the US might be a superpower, it's high time it comes to terms with its inability to be supreme dictator of the world. For all it's meddling in other countries affairs, the US has created a lot of turmoil and instability (in South America in particular) while forming puppet governments supportive of the US. Being an enemy of the US is not sufficient cause for going to war.
on Mar 08, 2004
Dynosaur,

"Mark my words ( as you hedged yours) WMD will be found"

Well fair play to you, if nothing else I've got to admire your boldness. Everyone else has thrown in the towel but you still keep the faith.

BakerStreet,

"Did they claim it was going to be a 'cakewalk'?"

Yes they did, if by they you mean the Pentagon (the State Dept. was much more pessimistic). Chalabi and his supporters in the Pentagon painted a picture of Paris 1944 type scenes as US tanks rolled into Baghdad. This didn't happen.

Brad,

Nice to know I've been "promoted" to the far left, been a while since someone called me that. Anyway,

"The WMD were never the primary issue. I've written on that many times even long before WMD became a fixation"

You can't possibly deny that the alleged threat of WMD in Iraq was the reason which Bush and Blair presented to the world as reason for going to war. To say otherwise is to try to rewrite history. 1441 was about WMD, not human rights or terrorism or American planes being fired on. WMD was given as the casus belli so dont call it a "fixation" like it's something I'm obsessed with. It was Bush, Cheney et al who were fixated with WMD in the run-up to the 2002 midterms.
on Mar 08, 2004
Once again, I'm a lefty who thought a war in Iraq was a good idea.

Cheers
on Mar 08, 2004
"Chalabi and his supporters in the Pentagon painted a picture of Paris 1944 type scenes as US tanks rolled into Baghdad. This didn't happen. "

How about a quote or two? I don't recall that characterization at all.

"1441 was about WMD, not human rights or terrorism or American planes being fired on."

1441 was solely for the UN's sensibilities, we didn't need it to go to war. He violated the terms of his cease fire, that is all that was necessary. I personally think we should have done it without even bothering with 1441.

"...the whole concept of the no-fly zone in Northern Iraq is contentious."

Regardless of the liberal opinion on no-fly zones, he had no right to fire on our aircraft. IF they were illegal, why not go to the all-knowing UN and address it? I love it when doves excuse someone shooting at people for esoteric reasons. Refreshingly uncharacteristic.
on Mar 08, 2004
"Regardless of the liberal opinion on no-fly zones, he had no right to fire on our aircraft. IF they were illegal, why not go to the all-knowing UN and address it? I love it when doves excuse someone shooting at people for esoteric reasons. Refreshingly uncharacteristic."

You have missed the point that the US and the UK were engaging in daily attacks...there is nothing esoteric about self-defense. Also, I would be careful about labelling people...you call me a dove why? From my brief time on JoeUser, I have noticed far more labelling than meaningful debate...be it "dove," "hawk," or a resident of a "far left coocoon." There is nothing black or white about what happened, and is happening in Iraq...I'm neither a dove or a hawk...I'm a subtle shade of grey in your "black vs. white" world...please remember that should you feel the need to label again.

"1441 was solely for the UN's sensibilities, we didn't need it to go to war. He violated the terms of his cease fire, that is all that was necessary. I personally think we should have done it without even bothering with 1441."

If it was so cut and dry that Saddam violated the ceasefire, why did the UN view it as sufficient reason to attack? I agree with OG San, the Bush Administration was fixated on WMD's as the reason behind going to war...to the point that Powell gave an embarrassing speech to the UN trying to justify the US position that WMD's existed. If 1441 wasn't necessary, the US would have avoided this circus act altogether...thereby avoiding awkwardness when all the mistruths came out.
on Mar 08, 2004
"You have missed the point that the US and the UK were engaging in daily attacks...there is nothing esoteric about self-defense."

No. We attacked anti-aircraft installations that fired and locked radar on our aircraft. It isn't chicken or the egg. If I point a gun at a policeman, and he attempts to shoot me, is it self defense when I shoot him? Hardly, I shouldn't have pointed the gun to begin with.

"why did the UN view it as sufficient reason to attack? "

Because many of the leading voices in the UN had been making a huge financial claim on Iraq. It wasn't in their interest to see Hussein toppled, because he owed them and they had their deals already signed for post-sanctions Iraq. They simply didn't care what he did. He could have gassed Kurds daily and those most opposing the war would have still opposed it.

You really, really think that once sanctions were lifted Hussein wouldn't have attained the same nuclear materials Iran and Libya have been found to have had? I dunno why this needs to be so complex. He was an evil, evil human being, and needed to go. Now he is gone. Armchair quarterback all you like, but the deed is done.
on Mar 08, 2004

Please re-read resolution 1441, O G Sans. It's spelled out succinctly in there. And that was also not the reason the US went to war. It was one of the many reasons why the US went to war. As far as many of us were concerned, Saddam should have been removed in 1998 (if not in 1991).

According to the Kay report, Saddam didn't comply with UN resolutions because he thought he had stockpiles of WMD.

Look, the people who were against the war before are still against it. The people who were for it are glad we did it. Big surprise.

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