Published on July 26, 2006 By O G San In International
Two weeks into the latest conflict in the Middle East, the casualty figures make interesting reading. US-sponsored Israel has sent 422 Lebanese to an early grave while Hezbollah (brought to you by Iran and Syria) has killed 42 people.

In other words, the Jewish state, armed and backed by the world’s richest country, has maintained a ten-to-one kill ratio in the first fortnight of fighting. This disparity in human suffering is the single defining characteristic of this war and must be acknowledged in any honest commentary on the conflict.

But the bald figures tell only half the story. Of the 42 people killed by Hezbollah, 24 (57%) were soldiers and 18 (43%) civilians. This relatively low per centage of civilian casualties seems strange. The Shia militia makes no distinction between an Israeli soldier and an Israeli child - they are both Zionist occupiers of Muslim land. The Party of God has demonstrated no qualms about taking innocent life.

So, the fact that more than half the Israeli dead were soldiers is probably a result of military rather than moral considerations. Obviously, Hezbollah’s guerrilla war against the IDF in southern Lebanon has been more effective than the hundreds of Kaytushas it has fired on northern Israel.

What then of the IDF’s pattern of killing? Well, unlike Hezbollah, Israel’s military proudly boasts that it is the most moral army in the world, that no other fighting force on the planet goes to such lengths to avoid civilian casualties. Logically then, you would expect the Israeli army to have killed significantly fewer civilians proportionally than Hezbollah.

Not so. Of the 422 people killed by the most moral army in the world, 27 were Hezbollah, 20 were Lebanese soldiers and 375 - a whopping 88% - were civilians. All these numbers can get a bit confusing so let me distil them all into one sentence: Israel has killed more than twice as many civilians as a per centagethan Hezbollah.

Remind me again who the good guys are.

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on Jul 30, 2006
Re: Dresden

I was using this as an example. There are many others. The point is not whether or not you think the bombing of Dresden was immoral, it's the principle. Do either of you accept that a moral war can contain immoral actions?


Yes, I do. But that has absolutely "nothing" to do with the numbers of casualties. If that were truly the case, then "every" war ever fought has immorality as part of it.
on Jul 30, 2006
"But you don't offer why."

Because Israel, armed and funded by the most powerful country in the world, is battering a much weaker country in a way which would be unacceptable in other parts of the world.

I think if the ratio was ten-to-one the other way, you might consider these numbers (whether they are facts or not) to be relevant.

"No thanks. This is a propaganda war, and swallowing propaganda doesn't give you a clearer view."

I don't swallow anybody's propaganda. Just because I have the temerity to disagree with you, you suggest this makes me gulible. I am reading many things about this conflict from many different viewpoints - including those of The Jerusalem Post and Ha'aretz.
on Jul 31, 2006
OG--I know you like a good debate and all, but I'd venture a guess that banging your head against a brick wall would be far more productive.

(hi soupy).
on Jul 31, 2006
Well I thought it was productive. Certain ludicrous statements were challenged.

Looking back over these comments, as I have just done, it's interesting to note which bloggers enjoy name-calling and which can be civil.
on Jul 31, 2006
Certain ludicrous statements were challenged


Sure. But everyone still holds firm and fast to their original point of view.

PS. I liked your other article. I'm actually a little afraid to admit that I had used a similar argument with my boss before reading your article ("would you find this acceptable if Britain had done it to Ireland? blah blah blah" --clearly less articulate than your blog, but the same general sentiment.) I'm pretty sure the apocalypse is coming if we are agreeing and thinking alike.
on Jul 31, 2006
"Looking back over these comments, as I have just done, it's interesting to note which bloggers enjoy name-calling and which can be civil"

There is a lot of name calling and shouting down (in a virtual sense) on this site. There are certain members who, rather than debate a point, want to beat you over the head with their opinion.

I used to have a blog here but found it far too right wing and got tired of being abused and insulted by American rednecks
on Jul 31, 2006
Enh.

Since Hezb'Allah fighters don't wear uniforms, and operate from civilian areas, I don't think these numbers are meaningful.
on Jul 31, 2006
"I used to have a blog here but found it far too right wing and got tired of being abused and insulted by American rednecks"


Let the stricken deer go weep.

I'm so bored with self-important left wingers who think that there is such a difference between insulting arrogance and effete, nasal sarcasm. I would rather deal with someone who uses insults over people who ask "meaningful" leading questions over and over with no intention of ever really addressing the answers
on Jul 31, 2006
I never said that they can't be negotiated with. In fact if you want guerilla armies to give up their guns, negotiation is the only way, as in Ireland.


Don't extrapolate Ireland to be indicative of all guerrilla campaigns. The Americans never negotiated with the Philipinos. They ruthlessly put down that rebellion. And put it down they did. It would, however, be inaccurate for me to say that force was the only way to end a guerrilla enemy.
on Jul 31, 2006
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I used to have a blog here but found it far too right wing and got tired of being abused and insulted by American rednecks


yes wookie now all you do is spam old articles under anon names with utter nonsense. Please feel fre to start posting under your registered name, step up stop hiding, be a man.
on Jul 31, 2006
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Mon, July 31, 2006 7:06 PM


"I used to have a blog here but found it far too right wing and got tired of being abused and insulted by American rednecks"


Let the stricken deer go weep.

I'm so bored with self-important left wingers who think that there is such a difference between insulting arrogance and effete, nasal sarcasm. I would rather deal with someone who uses insults over people who ask "meaningful" leading questions over and over with no intention of ever really addressing the answers


baker? you are argueing with the moron that spams old article with things like "go heart moon shoots crap"
on Jul 31, 2006
I used to have a blog here but found it far too right wing and got tired of being abused and insulted by American rednecks
(Bolding mine)


Name-caller.
on Aug 01, 2006
"yes wookie now all you do is spam old articles under anon names with utter nonsense. Please feel fre to start posting under your registered name, step up stop hiding, be a man."

I seem to have chosen a nickname that is used by someone else. Ah, the love of Chewbacca obviously runs wide and deep. Those stats that you pulled out are not my stats and I have never written "go heart moon shoots crap" as that obviously doesn't make any sense.

And to prove the point that I made, my comment that was just about not having a blog here has me labelled as a "self-important left winger", a "Name-caller", "the moron that spams", "the stricken deer" and being accused of "all you do is spam old articles under anon names with utter nonsense"

And you wonder why it got a bit tiresome?
on Aug 01, 2006
I am interested to know what people feel in the aftermath of the bombing which killed around 50 civilians in Lebanon and the promise of Isreal to implement a ceasfire whilst the incident was investigated, only to continue to drop bombs through the day?

If there was only some comparison to a war that is generally condemed by the world at large, causing havok and many deaths of innocent people, and looking to run on and on after being promised that the action would be swift and victory quickly achieved...
on Aug 01, 2006
I am interested to know what people feel in the aftermath of the bombing which killed around 50 civilians in Lebanon and the promise of Isreal to implement a ceasfire whilst the incident was investigated, only to continue to drop bombs through the day?



From CBC news: [Bolding mine]

"Israel said it would suspend its air strikes on Lebanese targets for 48 hours, beginning at 2 a.m. local time Monday.

The suspension was intended to allow for an investigation into an air attack Sunday by Israeli forces that killed 56 people, many of them women and children, in the Lebanese village of Qana.

Israel had also said it would suspend all offensive action for 24 hours to allow humanitarian aid to get into the region by land, sea and air, and to allow civilians to leave south Lebanon for the north.

However, in offering the two-day moratorium on air strikes, Israel also warned that it would still respond to any attacks launched by Hezbollah militants."


If only Hezbollah would've kept from firing on Israel, then the moratorium would've continued.
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